Karen Rodham Schlosberg those of you who stayed home and/or didn’t think the Supreme Court was an important enough reason to go out and vote for Hillary, fuck you.
Meryl Feldman Laguna yes, you blind idiots. F U.
Julie McCormick Agreed - I'm so so angry right now although that's been my constant state of being since Nov 2016.
John Mendelssohn Cut it out. How many of those people who stayed home would have done so if they'd an inkling that the calamity that occurred COULD occur? Do I think Hillary would have been preferable to Trump? God, yes. Would I, absent a viable chance of a Trump victory, have been excited about the idea of a Hillary presidency? Absolutely not. For the record, I thought there was enough of a chance of his winning that I would indeed have voted "for" her had those responsible managed to provide the absentee ballot I requested no fewer than three times.
John Mendelssohn It's remarkable to me how, even at this late date, you refuse to acknowledge that many of us on the left were deeply uncomfortable with the idea of a Hillary presidency.
Karen Rodham Schlosberg I don’t fucking care how uncomfortable they would’ve been. The fact is that this is a disaster that might’ve been prevented if some people hadn’t been such whiny snowflakes looking for some false idea of perfection. Fuck them. I would’ve been massively uncomfortable voting for Bernie but I would’ve done it rather than vote for Trump. There’s no excuse. None. Fuck them.
Ben Donahue Stop policing her rage.
John Mendelssohn Or what, Ben? You'll think less of me? I do appreciate that this isn't really an exchange of views, but one of those echo-chamber things one keeps reading about. KRS suggests, rather rabidly, that it wasn't possible to have legitimate reservations aplenty about Hillary. I'm living proof to the contrary. So what I'll do is let you and the others enjoy your frenzy of self-righteousness (and condemnation of those who couldn't bear Hillary, BUT WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HER IF THE ABSENTEE BALLOT HAD ARRIVED, and who agree wholeheartedly that Donald Trump is unspeakable).
Karen Rodham Schlosberg John Mendelssohn i’m not suggesting that it wasn’t possible to have legitimate reservations about Hillary. I’m suggesting that it was stupid to keep those reservations from going out and voting for her in the face of Trump. Stupid, selfish, and inconsiderate. Almost evil.
Laura Amick Dozois Why would ANYONE not have relished the opportunity to vote against a well-known and self-admitted raping, pussy-grabbing, bigoted, misogynistic, name-calling, adulterous, what supremacist, horrible, bankrupt moronic businessman, pathological lying, mean spirited dumbass? Why would ANYONE need to be prodded to the polls to vote against such a despicable, horrific candidate?
Wendy L. Temple Your "discomfort" is nothing but WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE. Says EVERYONE ELSE whose basic civil rights were on the line - women, POC, LGBT, immigrants, the disabled, children, etc., etc., etc. NO rationalization or apologia is going to do it for me, especially when the Democratic candidate had the most liberal platform in HISTORY, yet is still painted by people as a centrist, which is just what Putin wanted.
Laura Amick Dozois John Mendelssohn admitting publicly that you were as manipulated by Russia and a hesitant, tentative, "don't want to look too biased" media, isn't really something I would recommend doing. The fact that you so willingly believed the lies about Hillary Clinton (and apparently still do...well done, Putin) says more about you than anything else.
John Mendelssohn Wendy L. Temple And the winner of tonight's WMP (white male privilege) loving cup is...Wendy L. Temple. Someone was bound to say it, and stalwart Wendy came to the fore when the chips were down! Actually, my discomfort is with those who, at the beginning of this zesty exchange, rabidly denounced those who couldn't see their way clear to vote for HRC. (I, by the way, was not one of those, as noted above.) I think those who voted for Mr. Trump deserve rather more of our condemnation. As Ms. Dozois notes above, it's almost inconceivable what anyone could do so.
John Mendelssohn Oh, Laura. And here I thought we were getting on so wonderfully! Just as one example, was HRC's eager embrace of the war criminal Henry Kissinger orchestrated by Putin? Was her acceptance of the marriage rights of the LGBT needing to…evolve?
Laura Amick Dozois Do people really STILL not know that Hillary Clinton got more votes than any white man EVER in the history of this country? Do people really STILL not know that Hillary Clinton got more votes than Barack Obama got in 2012? Does anyone notice that it's almost always white men who want to remind the rest of us that "Hillary wasn't a very popular candidate" DESPITE WHAT THE MATH SHOWS?
John Mendelssohn Laura Amick Dozois One could make the argument that, with Donald fucking Trump as the opposition, you'd have imagined she might have received even more votes than she did, DfT having been the worst candidate in modern American political history.
Laura Amick Dozois John Mendelssohn oh, we are indeed SO lucky to have you! I forgot...everyone born in the 1940s has been enlightened about same-sex marriage since the day of their fucking birth! How could I forget that? Shame on me. And the Henry Kissinger thing is so damn tired. Now I know that you're a BernieBro. No further conversation needed.
Wendy L. Temple Holy crap, John, you are the poster boy for WMP by starting out this conversation by telling a woman she should shut up, on her own page!How many times a day does this happen, my fellow women? Too many to count.
Charles Taylor Were you uncomfortable with Hillary, you fucking baby? Tell it to the kids in camps and the parents who don’t know where they are. Yes, many on the left were uncomfortable with Hillary. Which makes them fucking idiots who think politics is about purity. Because every time the left gets uncomfortable with a Democratic candidate—as theydid with Humphrey and Gore and Hillary—people of color die.
Madeleine Fisher Kern John Mendelssohn is showing the ugly side of what is ugly throughout and that is arrogance, narcissism, white privilege and that ugly male dominating show of bravado in his BS posts. Pull your skinny assed chest in, John, you've been read and re-read for what you are and it is quite distasteful. Now, in your "mortally wounded" state, we all invite you to limp off onto a thread that finds you might actually have some thing relevant to say.
Stacey Sharp John Mendelssohn Don't even try to convince us you didn't vote because it was going to be a landslide for Hillary anyway. The polls closed tight in the last week. Oh...you didn't get the absentee ballot you requested? Well, by the time the polls showed it would NOT be a landslide, you could have gotten off your butt on election day and voted in person. Or pushed harder for a ballot. People DIED so you can vote and you're whining you didnt get instant ballot service so you didn't bother voting? Don't. Just Don't. Because no one believes you.
Stacey Sharp John Mendelssohn LMAO...you criticize HRC's same sex marriage stance evolving? Then defend Bernie saying that same sex marriage should be a state's rights issue left to places like Alabama even AFTER states starting making it legal. (And no, don't question the fact..I have the VT news video of him saying it).
John Mendelssohn Stacey Sharp I could have gotten off my butt and voted in person, madam? Well, I tried. But damned if I could find even one polling place in southwest London, where I live.
Stacey Sharp John Mendelssohn Awwww...and you surely worked so hard to get a ballot. You've told us how upset you are about Kissinger...but would you care to tell us why you did NOT bring up that Sanders had anti-war protestors upset with his pro-war stance ARRESTED rather than speaking with them on the phone (he wasn't even there). Or why he didn't vote against the 9/14/2001 Authorization - Cong Barbara Lee did, Bernie did not.
John Mendelssohn Fuck off, Stacy. I requested an absentee ballot three times, and had no reason to believe one wouldn't be supplied. May I know how I've come to be perceived as a Bernie Sanders zealot? Some people seem to have two settings, as here. If I found many things about Hillary distasteful, it can only be because I worshipped the ground on which Bernie walked, huh? Well, no such thing was the case. But let's just consider your point. Tens of thousands died because of Kissinger's complicity in the extension of the war in Viet Nam and bombing of Cambodia. On the other hand, Sanders had some protestors arrested. And these two things are equivalent in your view? Hit me with your best shot, Stacey. "White male privilege" always goes over well in a room like this one. Never mind that it doesn't have Thing 1 to do with my objecting to Karen's thread-starting rabidity.
Stacey Sharp John Mendelssohn See, your words, your descriptions, say "Berner". And you consider the killings and displacement in Kosovo to be 'nothing'? 13,517 people were killed or went missing during the conflict. The Yugoslav and Serb forces caused the displacement of between 1.2 million to 1.45 million Kosovo Albanians. Yeah, they don't matter. Nor, apparently, does Freedom of Speech mean a lot to you.
John Mendelssohn Stacey Sharp You're making my head spin, Stacey, and I've concluded that I'd have as much chance of trying to make sense of a Trumpist's ravings as I do of being able to understand your leaping around. I wish you a very pleasant afternoon and evening.
Stacey Sharp Shrugs, I guess someone who considers support for the killings in Kosovo not important would duck out.
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